Sunday, November 28, 2004


The F Word

No, not that word. I'm talking about the other F word that you can't say around conservatives: Fascism.

When you point out similarities between hardline American conservatism and fascism, believe me, any nearby right-winger will do his best impersonation of Cujo to deny even the most remote connection. Unfortunately, it's fairly undeniable. Two pages I came across today bolstered this arguement significantly.

The first is from the blog Green Years, whose author is an Iranian immigrant to America. Upon arriving, he noticed some striking similarities between our leaders and the the hardline leaders from his homeland. His brief post--a must read--is located here.

The other page is an article called Is America Heading Towards Fascism?. It's a more in-depth look at the topic, and just as interesting.

Maybe. The Patriot Act is getting us pretty close and if more conservative judges get on the SC, who knows what will happen. I agree with Ben Franklin: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

As some would say, Bush stole the first election, he may have stolen the second election. To them that sounds like a dictator, not to mention the religious associations and panderings.

Thanks for the link to Green Years. It is a very good post.
I haven't seen that quote before, Rene, but you should really spread it around. A lot of conservatives really take stock in the wisdom of our forefathers--I live in a red state and have a mostly conservative family, so I'm not just making that up--and quotes like this are golden.

It worries me that in the face of further terror, we would become something like a police state. Tommy Franks has said in several interviews that if we were attacked on a large-scale level, this is exactly what would occur.
If they really revere the forefathers, then they should actually read what the forefathers had to say. For political conservatives, and I'm talking about conservatives like Goldwater and George Will, not Ralph Reed and Jerry Falwell, they look to Alexander Hamilton and most political liberals prefer Thomas Jefferson's POV.

As far as the police state goes, I have read some of those Franks interviews as well. I think it was Newsweek that quoted Franks stating that another 9/11 type attack would create a police state, which I would question, but if the US were attacked on a large scale, ie the UK in WWII, then I would agree that martial law is necessary.
I think they invoke the forefathers the same way that they invoke Jesus: by using them as a facile symbol for some sort of moral purity, rather than actually applying or comprehensively looking at what either of these pillars of the Western world actually stood for or said. Most conservatives in this vein, from my experience, aren't even aware of the Jefferson/Hamilton conflict. The conservatives of academia I know actually have a lot of ire for many of Bush's policies.
I couldn't agree more. Those conservatives are starting to call themselves Libertarians, and there numbers are growing all the time.
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